tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-512615033583182026.post7085568499128624785..comments2023-10-23T11:50:35.699-07:00Comments on Marks of Authentic Mission: Rob Bell’s ministry proves ‘divisive’ in some religious circles By Drew NichterAndrew Kennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02714318748847734699noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-512615033583182026.post-59099145007232169522008-01-12T05:55:00.000-08:002008-01-12T05:55:00.000-08:00ROB BELL “THE GODS ARE NOT ANGRY”—A CRITIQUE Benji...ROB BELL “THE GODS ARE NOT ANGRY”—A CRITIQUE<BR/> Benji Magness, “Teaching Pastor at Country Bible Church in Kaufman, Texas writes:” brings us this very in-depth critique from a month ago, which concerns the message he heard from Rob Bell when, along with two other pastors, Benji attended Bell’s “the gods aren’t angry” tour “at Nokia Live.”<BR/>Benji tells us, “My good friend Rob typed up a response to Rob Bell’s message”:<BR/>I attended with two senior pastors who are my dearest friends from seminary. They are tracking with the Emerging Church movement and have sharp minds to discern truth from untruth. After Rob Bell spoke, we processed his talk in community and came to the same conclusion.<BR/>I really appreciate Bell’s writings (like Velvet Elvis), and I think he has several great concepts and insight around 1st century culture and correlating it to the gospels. But after Friday night, our community of three came to the conclusion that Bell denies a substitutionary atonement model of Christ’s death, and is a functioning Universalist...<BR/>“All things have been reconciled to God... All things are reconciled to God”. [Rob Bell] repeats this over and over. He doesn’t give you any reference to this idea or the rest of the verse’s idea and concept. The concept comes out of Col. 1:20. Everything in the way he repeated this statement communicated that everyone has been reconciled to God. In his delivery and tone communicated that all things (all people) have been reconciled to God.<BR/>There is no indication that any profession of Christian faith or belief is needed in order to bring about reconciliation with an individual. But, reconciliation has come because God is love and God provides. There was no communication that Christ’s death had anything to do with reconciliation or that any type of profession or belief was needed to bring about this reconciliation. This idea would be considered among theologians as a Universalist View of Salvation. (Online source)<BR/>Apprising Ministries finds this very interesting. These dear friends from seminary, with two of these pastors—possessing sharp minds to discern truth—are in the Emergent Church, and yet they too picked up what so many others of us outside the emerging church have. Rob Bell does indeed appear to be teaching some form of universalism.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Apprising MInistriesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-512615033583182026.post-84895779744909267682008-01-12T05:52:00.000-08:002008-01-12T05:52:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-512615033583182026.post-25442021469840599382008-01-11T04:03:00.000-08:002008-01-11T04:03:00.000-08:00Thanks Rod, Rob Bell came to Belfast though I didn...Thanks Rod, Rob Bell came to Belfast though I didn't in fact hear him.I intend to use some of his famous Nooma DVD's at the youth club.They would not be too deep spiritually, but after all most unchurched kids would find a heavy message too much.I also have his two books Velvet Elvis and Sex God which I must get around to finishing.I'll maybe do a review on them when I read them.Silva is a typical Cult watcher, a bit like Cecil Andrews who shoots on sight.I always like to read them from time to time so I can look out for the 'errors' before coming to my own judgement.Andrew Kennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02714318748847734699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-512615033583182026.post-68057201627810796942008-01-10T15:25:00.000-08:002008-01-10T15:25:00.000-08:00I haven't read any of his stuff but he sounds pret...I haven't read any of his stuff but he sounds pretty mild in comparision to some of the recent ideas from ikon ......<BR/><BR/>Ken Silva website to me is quite spiteful and vindictive in his approach<BR/><BR/>RodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com